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Emily Duchon: Don’t paraphrase or just follow certain parts of the Bible
Emily Duchon: Don’t paraphrase or just follow certain parts of the Bible
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 Posted 5/28/2013 1:37:33 AM
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Emily,

It seems that your opinion about "the bible" really boils down to your disagreement with the interpretation of the Bible that homosexual activity is wrong (sin), and therefore anything called "gay marriage" would be impossible. Let me try to dispel two notions you expressed:

First, the Old Testament certainly does admonish those who participate in homosexual activity.  You can read about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis.  And before you quote any modern reinterpretation of those passages, remember that the term "sodomy" (an old and hardly used word these days) comes from the name Sodom.  The term has historical meaning based on historical interpretation (several thousand years worth) so I would not discount the meaning of the Bible passage lightly.

Second, there are plenty of "non-religious" arguments for why homosexual behavior is neither normative nor healthy.  Many cases have been made for retaining the heterosexual mother-father model as the standard for family life that do not fall back on "religious" arguments.  You can easily find them if you take a few minutes of research on the Internet.

I realize that it seems mean-spirited to deny something to anyone who truly desires it.  However, failure to recognize that some things are, by their nature, neither good nor truly desirable, leads to outcomes that are often unintended and never "good", no matter how "good" they may make us feel.  Parents raising children are aware of this principle - saying "no" to an insistent child does not imply a lack of love, but is rather one of the most difficult expressions of it.
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I realize that it seems mean-spirited to deny something to anyone who truly desires it.  However, failure to recognize that some things are, by their nature, neither good nor truly desirable, leads to outcomes that are often unintended and never "good", no matter how "good" they may make us feel.  Parents raising children are aware of this principle - saying "no" to an insistent child does not imply a lack of love, but is rather one of the most difficult expressions of it.



How true this is.  My oldest daughter when she was in her middle teens often would say if I loved her I would not punish her.  I told her the truth is just the opposite. 

Now that she is a little older, she is starting to understand what I meant.
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Emily Duchon: "This is what a lot of People’s Forum submissions have boiled down to, and I just wonder why you people haven’t found anything better to do with your free time."

Why is there so much jealousy of those of us that have good organizational skills that we have free time to do as we please? I see this every time someone disagrees with what some else does or says. This seems to be more common with the newer generations that think they should have what others have, but they don't want to work to get it.

Instead of putting down others maybe you should take an organizational class. I've got 4 kids and a full time job and I still have plenty of time to back up the Bible and what it says.


Try listening to this is if you are struggling with Homosexuality and the Bible.
http://www.riveroaks.org/media/files/20130519-1.mp3
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Bible thumping people in Elkhart always seem to forget the most basic and important message from the Bible:

Judge not, lest ye be judged sinner.

Those without sin, throw the first stone.

You are not following the Bible or Jesus Christ if you do not follow these two rules.

So, if you are judging ANYone, you are sinning and "playing God" 

THAT IS THE PROBLEM with Elkhart Republican Bible Thumpers.  They do not follow the Bible ....
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I don't get why disagreeing with someone means they hate.  Hate is a strong word.  I disagree with my friends and family on a lot of things...doesn't mean I hate them.  And by the way, tolerance is not the same as acceptance.  But that is what is expected now.
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Bible thumping people in Elkhart always seem to forget the most basic and important message from the Bible:

Judge not, lest ye be judged sinner.

Those without sin, throw the first stone.

You are not following the Bible or Jesus Christ if you do not follow these two rules.

So, if you are judging ANYone, you are sinning and "playing God" 

THAT IS THE PROBLEM with Elkhart Republican Bible Thumpers.  They do not follow the Bible ....


Rocknkk,

Actually the problem I see is people who cannot recognize sin as sin.  In God's eyes all sin is equally bad.  The Bible teaches us to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  Westboro Baptist and their ilk forget the second part of that.

The Bible lays out God's plan pretty simply. Love others as Christ loved the church.  Well, He died for us, so that's a pretty tough example to live up to.

You talk of Christians judging others, and yet that is exactly what you are doing with your blanket statements. 

Emily,

I would encourage you to examine the Bible more closely.  Many people who fall away or have disagreements with the church have never actually read the Bible.  At your age, I hadn't either.

The Old Testament (though filled with stories of God's judgment and questionable life choices by many characters) is filled with prophecies telling of a messiah to come.

The New Testament shows the fulfillment of those prophecies in the coming of Jesus Christ.  The odds that just 8 of those prohecies would be fulfilled by one person is 1 in 1 trillion, billion.  Pretty remote....The amazing thing is that 48 prophecies from the Old Testament are fulfilled by Christ.  The odds of that happening are 1 in 1 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion.  Absolutely astounding, don't you think?

The Bible still does show us how to live a happy and healthy life.  Dig into it instead of judging it by the humans that justify their sins by it.

Since you are a jounalist, I suggest you check out "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel.  He is a Pulitzer Prize winner who wrote for the Chicago Sun-Times.  He was an atheist who set out to disprove the Bible, and became a Christian instead.
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I like a comment  fom Rick Warren.  "Our culture has accepted two hugh lies.  The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear or hate them.  The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do.  Both are nonsense.

You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate."
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Dan Spaulding of The Elkhart Truth on Facebook (5/28/2013)
Lots of comments already on this story. Duchon knows how to strike a nerve.
 Apparently if one writes statement which inflames other's opinion that is good? Is that the criteria for rating stories at this paper?  I'm curious to know if Duchon holds any limit for marriage? Does she also believe a father should be able to marry a son or a mother marry her daughter as there are few loves as strong as that of a parent? Ooops...I just errored by regurgitating what I've ask previously. Please excuse my faux pas; it's just that well... many advocates for same sex marriage appear unable to address this element of their cause.  
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Dan Spaulding of The Elkhart Truth on Facebook (5/28/2013)
Lots of comments already on this story. Duchon knows how to strike a nerve.
 Apparently if one writes statement which inflames other's opinion that is good? Is that the criteria for rating stories at this paper?  I'm curious to know if Duchon holds any limit for marriage? Does she also believe a father should be able to marry a son or a mother marry her daughter as there are few loves as strong as that of a parent? Ooops...I just errored by regurgitating what I've ask previously. Please excuse my faux pas; it's just that well... many advocates for same sex marriage appear unable to address this element of their cause.  


Incest can endanger any accidental offspring, and thus isn't allowed for good reasons.

That is quite a bit different than gay marriage, truth be told.
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